<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post6899502384069333744..comments</id><updated>2008-06-22T09:43:10.856-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on The South Fraser Blog: Workshop Last Night</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.southfraser.net/feeds/6899502384069333744/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html'/><author><name>Nathan Pachal</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17647693133663879821</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='21' src='http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v73/164/71/643731060/n643731060_65795_8455.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>10</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-5702658750743476960</id><published>2008-06-22T09:33:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-22T09:33:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Good point about Willoughby, Joe. When we lived in...</title><content type='html'>Good point about Willoughby, Joe. When we lived in Amberleigh we alked everywhere.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And we should add Langley Meadows--easy access to the mall and the rest of Willowbrook. Our first place as a married couple was an apartment in the Rockport near Willowbrook. We would walk a lot, even down to Chapters...</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/5702658750743476960'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/5702658750743476960'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1214152380000#c5702658750743476960' title=''/><author><name>Jordan Bateman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02139473770767253045</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1701777321'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-8818528962170653654</id><published>2008-06-20T17:04:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-20T17:04:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>I lump that in with Langley City. (Everything from...</title><content type='html'>I lump that in with Langley City. (Everything from 200th to 208th from the river up is pretty much walkable.) I'm within a 10 minute walk of Safeway and IGA, and 15min walk from Pricesmart. (Two of which I saw being built/renovated.) Luckly, we don't have run down amenities in either of the Langleys... (I'll admit there are some rundown residents in Langley City and Aldergrove, but that can be expected in older, working class communities.)</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/8818528962170653654'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/8818528962170653654'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1214006640000#c8818528962170653654' title=''/><author><name>Nathan Pachal</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17647693133663879821</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='21' src='http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v73/164/71/643731060/n643731060_65795_8455.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1098658011'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-641146028000754350</id><published>2008-06-20T16:20:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-20T16:20:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>I would add the area surrounding the Township Hall...</title><content type='html'>I would add the area surrounding the Township Hall. People in that area (66th, 68th &amp; 203rd) routinely walk to Save-On, WalMart, area restaurants, sometimes COSTCO for small items, etc. I previously lived in Sunridge when it first opened on 68th, and that 203rd hill was not pedestrian-friendly before the road dedication. Those areas are connected by green spaces with walking/cycling trails and passageways between the various developments. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There's also the Fraser Hwy. &amp; 208th neighbourhood around the Safeway, unless you lump that in with Downtown Langley City.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/641146028000754350'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/641146028000754350'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1214004000000#c641146028000754350' title=''/><author><name>Joe Zaccaria</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01575719277280796183</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='21' src='http://bp3.blogger.com/_EW74MFQ2GSI/R_wsmu4nDCI/AAAAAAAAAAM/upSA_IAiMOE/S220/joe.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1071405843'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-447995150712297004</id><published>2008-06-20T14:40:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-20T14:40:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>All 4 of those. Some portions of Murrayville--for ...</title><content type='html'>All 4 of those. Some portions of Murrayville--for example, within a 5 minute walk for me is a library, IGA, 2 coffee shops, a school, a park, a farmgate butcher, the hospital and offices. Walnut Grove Drive, between the pool and park and the commercial area.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Good point about weighing walkability. And a newer coffee shop should probably be scored higher than a run down one. Crime stats need to also be included...</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/447995150712297004'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/447995150712297004'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1213998000000#c447995150712297004' title=''/><author><name>Jordan Bateman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02139473770767253045</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1701777321'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-1780228996695365458</id><published>2008-06-20T10:58:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-20T10:58:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Just for fun, what areas in both Langleys would yo...</title><content type='html'>Just for fun, what areas in both Langleys would you think of as walkable?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I'll go first: Downtown Langley, Fort Langley, Aldergrove, the area by the movie theatre by 200th.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/1780228996695365458'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/1780228996695365458'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1213984680000#c1780228996695365458' title=''/><author><name>Nathan Pachal</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17647693133663879821</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='21' src='http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v73/164/71/643731060/n643731060_65795_8455.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1098658011'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-7687394689584163987</id><published>2008-06-20T10:33:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-20T10:33:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>As these calculations HAD to look at overall area ...</title><content type='html'>As these calculations HAD to look at overall area within the municipality, the ALR would certainly strike a significant blow to communities like Langley as you say. Maybe we can change this with streetcars and the Interurban? &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You have to also wonder how much weight is put to each amenity. For example, does a supermarket get more "points" than a park? There are obviously some subjective elements to the calculation. But we must get "credit" somehow for being the keepers of the ALR.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/7687394689584163987'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/7687394689584163987'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1213983180000#c7687394689584163987' title=''/><author><name>Joe Zaccaria</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01575719277280796183</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='21' src='http://bp3.blogger.com/_EW74MFQ2GSI/R_wsmu4nDCI/AAAAAAAAAAM/upSA_IAiMOE/S220/joe.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1071405843'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-816599146393152223</id><published>2008-06-20T08:28:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-20T08:28:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Joe, I understand the concept of walkability, but ...</title><content type='html'>Joe, I understand the concept of walkability, but it doesn't seem fishy that the top 8 most walkable communities don't have any ALR land among them?</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/816599146393152223'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/816599146393152223'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1213975680000#c816599146393152223' title=''/><author><name>Jordan Bateman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02139473770767253045</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1701777321'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-85264676054341508</id><published>2008-06-19T16:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-19T16:06:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>I think the ALR comes into play, but there's no wa...</title><content type='html'>I think the ALR comes into play, but there's no way you can walk in many places in the Township right now and get your daily needs. I think the only exception are those new village apartments behind Marketplace IGA in Walnut Grove and other similar developments. The litmus test I think is whether you can get a good amount of daily needs within a 5-10 minute walk. So, the City of Langley works that way for many people that live in the right corridor. I believe this is why we need more mixed use in the Township, as those daily needs stores can service the new density along places like 208th. Although the Township was smart to develop walking trails in these new communities, with connections between developments, we desperately need to see some small businesses in those areas!</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/85264676054341508'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/85264676054341508'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1213916760000#c85264676054341508' title=''/><author><name>Joe Zaccaria</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01575719277280796183</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='21' src='http://bp3.blogger.com/_EW74MFQ2GSI/R_wsmu4nDCI/AAAAAAAAAAM/upSA_IAiMOE/S220/joe.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1071405843'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-1892676635380882358</id><published>2008-06-19T12:39:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-19T12:39:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The walkability index seems strange to me. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br...</title><content type='html'>The walkability index seems strange to me. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The top 8 municipalities don't have a square inch of ALR land among them, which makes me wonder how it was calculated. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;But it was a great night!</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/1892676635380882358'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/1892676635380882358'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1213904340000#c1892676635380882358' title=''/><author><name>Jordan Bateman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02139473770767253045</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1701777321'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-3062799332293339843</id><published>2008-06-19T12:03:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-19T12:03:00.000-07:00</updated><title type='text'>benefitable post</title><content type='html'>benefitable post</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/3062799332293339843'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/6899502384069333744/comments/default/3062799332293339843'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html?showComment=1213902180000#c3062799332293339843' title=''/><author><name>Cars Cars Cars</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15956571047167829689</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='20' src='http://www.toro1.ro/categorii/3/bmw-tuning-01.jpg'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.southfraser.net/2008/06/last-nights-workshop.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3299108886803608881.post-6899502384069333744' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3299108886803608881/posts/default/6899502384069333744' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-2029387305'/></entry></feed>
